Pharrell has so much behind-the-scenes knowledge about the music industry and some special stories about his experiences in his career. He sat down for a conversation with N.O.R.E & DJ EFN for the latest episode of REVOLT TV’s Drink Champs podcast and shared some insight on his monumental career—including his interactions with legendary stars like Michael Jackson and Prince.

The super producer revealed that he wanted to work with the R&B legends and that he sent them both beats but they ended up passing on the songs. The topic came up when the producer was asked if he had ever met Prince before his passing in 2016, and Pharrell revealed he produced “Frontin’” for the legendary singer, but he turned it down. He then said he had a similar experience with Jackson, but with the songs from Justin Timberlake’s debut album, Justified. “Michael turned us down, too,” Pharrell said.

N.O.R.E recalled the phone call when Pharrell told him that he sent beats to the “Billy Jean” singer, saying it was one of the best phone calls of his life. “You hit me and you said, ‘Yo, I just sent Michael Jackson some beats,’” the podcast host said, adding that Jackson turned down the beats because he wanted tracks that sounded more like Noreaga. “I didn’t understand this kind of talk.”

“John McClain was his manager at the time,” Pharrell shared. “We sent him pretty much all the stuff y’all are hearing on the first Justified album. That’s all the Michael stuff. Justin Timberlake. All but one song, they were all written for Michael.”

“John McClain was like, ‘Man Michael don’t want that shit,’” Pharrell recalled. “‘He wants that shit you’re giving Noreaga….he want that ‘Superthug.’” Justified was the 2002 debut solo studio album by Timberlake after his time with NSYNC, and was produced by The Neptunes. Pharrell said it was around the time Jackson released “You Rock My World,” but Jackson wanted songs that sounded like something that N.O.R.E would “rhyme on.”

The super producer shared so much more during the three-hour-long conversation. Check out the full interview below.

Pharrell On His Legendary Career, Working With Snoop, Justin Timberlake, Nigo & More | Drink Champs